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Issue date: February 11, 2001
In this article:
Theater: August Wilson and Javon Johnson
Education : Ruth Simmons and Cecilia Elena Rouse
Cinema : Spike Lee and Lee Davis
Literature: Nikki Giovanni and Edwidge Danticat
Fashion: FUBU and Willie Esco Montanez
Religion: Calvin Butts and Darrell Griffin
Business: Ken Lombard and Denita Willoughby
Online extra:
Quincy Jones and John Clayton
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Links to the full interview transcripts are below
CELEBRATING
R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
BLACK
HISTORY
MONTH

They're the pride of a generation. Cultural icons. Now, in a historic event, USA WEEKEND unites today's leaders with the young talents who will carry the dream into the 21st century.

As part of Black History Month specials, see Javon Johnson from this USA WEEKEND article, on MSNBC Live on Saturday, Feb. 17, between 8 and 9 a.m. ET. Ken Lombard and Denita Willoughby will appear Feb. 24.
Go to MSNBC's special section: Race in America

In 1903, educator and historian W.E.B. Du Bois pondered "the strange meaning of being black here in the dawning of the 20th century." Now, a new group of talented people defines the black experience at the dawn of a new millennium.

For this USA WEEKEND exclusive, respected leaders in fields ranging from film to fashion to education hand-picked talented up-and-comers whose work they admire. The goal: Dialogue that will help inspire future generations to carry on the challenge. So sit back, eavesdrop and enjoy a unique front-row seat on history.

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Theater

August Wilson and Javon Johnson

Playwright August Wilson, 55, has made a career of documenting the black experience, winning Pulitzer Prizes for Fences (1987) and The Piano Lesson (1990). In December, on the opening day of King Hedley II, his eighth play in a series of 10, Wilson sat with Javon Johnson, a 27-year-old playwright from Anderson, S.C., to discuss the politics of black theater.

 

Javon Johnson
Johnson, left, with Wilson on the set of Wilson's King Hedley II at Chicago's Goodman Theatre

August Wilson: I first got involved in theater in 1968, at the height of a social tumult. I was a poet. I got into theater in Pittsburgh with the idea of using [it] as a tool to raise consciousness, politicize the community.
Javon Johnson: Mine was more of an accident. I was very observant. The theater allowed me to tap into that inner spirit and those powers.
A.W.: I'm trying to take culture and put it onstage, demonstrate it is capable of sustaining you. There is no idea that can't be contained by life: Asian life, European life, certainly black life. My plays are about love, honor, duty, betrayal -- things humans have written about since the beginning of time.
J.J.: I helped start a theater in Chicago, the Congo Square Company. A flyer came out that included my play Hambone. It labeled me as an African-American playwright. I looked at the other writer bios; they were labeled playwrights. It bothered me. Why can't I just be an artist? My generation is conscious of this question.
A.W.: As are we all. You have to make your own definition of yourself. That's crucial. When I do interviews, I am expected to become some sociologist. I have to speak to the condition of black America. My preference would be: Let's talk about theater. Let's talk about art. The fact that I am black is self-evident.
J.J.: I've always been apolitical. I wanted to ask you: How much responsibility I should own up to as far as representing the African-American community?
A.W.: The black power movement of the '60s tried to force people to write about certain things. What comes forth from you as an artist cannot be controlled. But you have responsibilities as a global citizen. Your history dictates your duty. And by writing about black people, you are not limiting yourself. The experiences of African Americans are as wide open as God's closet.
J.J.: It's a struggle to tell our stories because of the need for validation. When we look at material written by whites, we don't question it, and they're not insecure.
A.W.: As soon as white folks say a play's good, the theater is jammed. We have to get to the point where our reviews are just as much validation as anybody's.
J.J.: I'm going to adopt yet another one of your phrases: "The struggle will continue ..."
A.W.: No question about it, you have the gift. But along with it comes the responsibility.
Online Extra: Click here for the complete interview transcript

-- Moderated by Ralph Wiley, author of Why Black People Tend to Shout

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Education

Ruth Simmons and Cecilia Elena Rouse

 

Ruth Simmons and Cecilia Elena Rouse
Simmons, right, hosted Rouse at Smith College in Massachusetts.

When Dr. Ruth J. Simmons, 55, arrives at Brown University in July, she will become the first black president of an Ivy League institution. The Houston native, a divorced mother of two, calls her ascent an accident of history, reasoning it was bound to happen sometime. She's more excited by the promise of her protégé, Cecilia Rouse, 37, a Princeton economist from Walnut Creek, Calif. The two charted a course for the future of black education last month in Simmons' office at Smith College.

Ruth Simmons: The economics of education is one of the most important things we have to deal with. If we don't, we aren't going to have the citizenry we need.
Cecilia Rouse: Which comes back to the economic situation of the families, and making sure the families can support their children going to school from an early age. But what makes a school good? For all of the research we do, we have little understanding of what that is.
R.S.: The important thing is to give students the tools to be educated, but, more than that, to give them every encouragement to succeed.
C.R.: There's some evidence if you look at an African-American and a white student with the same SAT scores coming into college, the [black] student's more likely to drop out. Why? They're coming in equally prepared. There's this great unknown the country hasn't come to terms with, which is the legacy of slavery and racism in society. It comes into play in a way we don't fully understand.
R.S: Exactly. And what historically black colleges do is invaluable. Were it not for those institutions, educated African Americans would be far fewer in number. I ended up going to a historically black college [Dillard University in New Orleans] because I wanted to major in theater. And I didn't want to be relegated to playing black roles in a white university. It was a wonderful experience.
C.R.: I want an institution to [teach] the love of learning, the importance of independent thought, respecting what others believe and, therefore, promoting informed dialogue.
R.S.: I want lots of successful models that are different. Because we're very different. I want a kid coming from Nevada to be able to find his way to a small place that has a special mission unlike any other.
Online Extra: Click here for the complete interview transcript

-- Moderated by Harry Allen, "hip-hop activist"

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Cinema

Spike Lee and Lee Davis

Lee Davis and Spike Lee
Davis, left, with Lee on a Manhattan soundstage

Ever since Spike Lee first stirred up moviegoers with his 1986 indie sleeper She's Gotta Have It, Hollywood hasn't looked at black-themed films quite the same. Lee, 44, who went on to direct 15 features, including the controversial School Daze, Do the Right Thing and Malcolm X, was nominated for two Academy Awards. Throughout his career, Lee has made it a point to express the divergent views of the black community, to tell stories that generate talk. But he's almost as famous for discovering new talent. His latest find is Lee Davis, 33, one of Variety's 10 Screenwriters to Watch in 2000. Spike produced Davis' 3 A.M., out this year. They recently met to discuss the landscape of black cinema.

Spike Lee: When I started, Michael Schultz was the only black director working. You had Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy. That was it. It was Hollywood Shuffle and SGHI that really changed the landscape. That's when you had a lot more black films being made. The technology has helped, too. Today, we're shooting feature films with [digital camcorders]. And also DVDs. You can use those as learning tools. With freeze frame and bonus features, they're like repertory theaters.
Lee Davis: My father used to take me to movies all the time. That's when I started falling in love with film. I always used to write stories throughout high school and college.
S.L.: [To succeed as a director], you've gotta have talent, drive, luck and time. You want to be recognized, especially when you're a young talent and not taking a particular slant. Otherwise, you're just regurgitating what's out there.
L.D.: Because of Spike and [a few others] in the '80s and '90s, we've been able to get a chance to [tell] the types of stories we want. But it's still tough to get them made. The Hughes brothers are making From Hell -- and no, I don't think in the '80s two brothers from [the 'hood] would be directing a film in Prague about Jack the Ripper -- but it took them five years to make that film.
S.L.: Of all the arts, black cinema is way behind. There's a reason we're behind: because of how much it costs to finance and distribute movies. We should strive to equal what we've done in music and literature. I'd like to see more African-American women directors. More of our stories, not the same old thing again and again. Not all black people live in the city or come from a single-parent home.
L.D.: Diversity only comes about when you have people courageous enough to give it a shot and say, "Let's try this. Is it going to make $300 million? I don't know. But let's make this story."
Online Extra: Click here for the complete interview transcript

-- Moderated by Craigh Barboza, USA WEEKEND associate editor

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Literature

Nikki Giovanni and Edwidge Danticat

Edwidge Danticat and Nikki Giovanni
Danticat, left, met with Giovanni at a Washington book store

Renowned poet Nikki Giovanni first gained prominence in the late 1960s as a voice of the Black Arts Movement. Now a University Distinguished Professor at Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, Giovanni hails the work of Haitian-born novelist Edwidge Danticat, 32, as "sheer genius." Danticat is the author of three novels, the first of which, Krik? Krak!, was a finalist for 1995's National Book Award. The two swapped words on the state of black literature at the Politics and Prose bookstore in Washington, D.C.

Nikki Giovanni: What I enjoy about reading anything you do is you're a strong woman. I like courage. Because things have to be said.
Edwidge Danticat: The women in my family told stories. I was shy; I couldn't raise my voice in the chorus. I started writing stories, and when I moved to New York [at 12], I was encouraged to share them.
N.G.: [Today's black writers] have a community they no longer have to be self-conscious about. You can do that trashy stuff Rosalyn McMillan does, Terry's sister. You can do any number of things.
E.D.: There no longer has to be only one person in each category. There's not the idea that this publishing house only has to take one [black writer].
N.G.: My generation came with a level of burden. We had to overthrow a lot. It's what Langston Hughes said: "We will express our own dark-skinned selves." We were aware of representing a group.
E.D.: I hear people saying, "I don't want to be a black writer. I want to be just a writer." I don't think it's a detrimental label. I know people who struggle against it, against having their book in a certain section at a store. One is not a generic person. If they are, they are going to end up with a generic book.
N.G.: I grew up with a hundred books you should read before college. I [am] a big fan of an expanded canon. You've got to read Frederick Douglass. You've got to know Souls of Black Folk. How could you be educated, white, black [or whatever] and not know one of the most beautiful books ever written? Of course, you have to read Toni Morrison. But how can you not know Ernest Gaines -- everything he ever wrote? Gaines is the most marvelous writer to never win the Nobel Prize.
E.D.: I'd like to see our own Nobel. Not that I want to exclude others. But to have the Gwendolyn Brooks award be as cool to get as the Pulitzer -- I would like to see that in 30 years.
Online Extra: Click here for the complete interview transcript

-- Moderated by Michele Hatty, who covers arts and culture for USA WEEKEND

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Fashion

FUBU and Willie Esco Montanez

Fubu

Willie Esco Montanez

Willie Esco Montanez, above, and FUBU founders Brown, left, John, Martin and Perrin

Years ago, black youth wore Tommy Hilfiger and Timberland boots in ways that reconfigured the prep-wear and mountain gear to fit in the urban jungle. Now those same kids have grown up to make clothes for themselves. FUBU, founded in 1992 by Queens natives Daymond John, 30, Carl Brown, 29, Keith Perrin, 29, and J. Alexander Martin, 30, was ranked No. 2 among New York's largest minority-owned companies in 2001 by Crain's. Another is Esco, run by 32-year-old Willie Esco Montanez. We spoke with them about the business of fashion.

Keith Perrin: I'm that same kid looking for the [hot new style]. I am the consumer. The problem is getting [department store] buyers to understand. Lemme tell a buyer new Bentleys are in this color and that's why it'll be hot, and he'll say, "These kids ain't buying Bentleys." He doesn't understand our customers.
Willie Esco: The thing about designing is you want to have your own label, but you may just be doing $2 skirts for the rest of your life. You gotta be willing to be happy with that, if you love designing.
J. Alexander Martin: All designers shop twice a year in Europe and [throughout] the States to see what's out there.
Carl Brown: Whenever you meet people you check their shoes, cuffs, laces, details, collars.
Daymond John: A lot of times we'll wear [some other designer] just to see how many comments we get from people on the street.
K.P.: The sweater Willie's wearing right now isn't Esco. He might wear that for only three hours.
W.E.: That's part of a designer's education. Back in the day, we used to just get a sweatsuit and throw a logo on it. Now we shop for fabrics, colors -- everything.
Online Extra: Click here for the complete interview transcript

-- Moderated by Touré, whose book of short stories, Life in Soul City, will be published this fall

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Religion

Calvin Butts and Darrell Griffin

Dr. Calvin Butts
Darrell Griffin
Butts, left, calls Griffin "a model of whee religious leadership is heading in the 21st century."

Dr. Calvin Butts, 51, outspoken pastor of Harlem's Abyssinian Baptist Church, is a longtime advocate of economic self-determination in the black community. Since 1989, Abyssinian's development branch has overseen $75 million in urban renewal projects, resulting in 600 housing units. Butts called on the Rev. D. Darrell Griffin, 35, of Chicago's historic Oakdale Covenant Church, to discuss religion's evolving role.

Calvin Butts: Leadership in the church is about meeting people's needs. It's congruous with the ministry of Jesus: feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, housing the homeless. Rev. Griffin's ministry is exceptional because it's in keeping with the best business practices.
Darrell Griffin: The black church has always been the center of the community. Whether or not the church is prepared for its increased role in community development, it will step up. Think about the civil rights movement: The church wasn't equipped to deal with the legal aspects. As we get more into community development, we have to invest in our infrastructure. We need to hire individuals [with] expertise in community development -- fund-raising, social workers, educators. Even parishioners are a resource; they have just never been "tapped." They've taught Sunday school or organized church events. Now we're saying, "You run a business. Why don't you teach us? You're a lawyer. Hold a legal clinic at our church."
C.B.: It all takes second seat to advocacy on behalf of poor people. If the mayor says, "We have the land to develop 200 units of low-income housing. As long as you and I get along, you can have that development." That means I have to keep quiet while the police are running unchecked through my community. But I can't. That's one of the things that makes Rev. Griffin different. He doesn't sacrifice the prophetic ministry to meet an immediate social need.
D.G.: That's right. Everything we do must educate and empower. The moral foundation is so important, because this is tough work. We're out in the heart of the community. It's not always glamorous, the rewards are sometimes few, but this is a calling.
Online Extra: Click here for the complete interview transcript

-- Moderated by Minna Proctor, now working on a book about the ministry

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Business

Ken Lombard and Denita Willoughby

Ken Lombard
Denita Willoughby
Lombard, left, and Willoughby agree blacks should not be wary of the corporate world.

In 1994, Kenneth Lombard, 46, became president of Magic Johnson Development, a black-owned company catering to disadvantaged neighborhoods. Today, MJD is a business empire with $500 million in property. Lombard has secured joint ventures with Starbucks and T.G.I. Fridays and helped build a hugely successful chain of multiplexes. Recently, he spoke with Denita Willoughby, 34, director of business enterprises at Pacific Bell, about the bifurcated position black businesspeople find themselves in today.

Ken Lombard: I started my career in corporate America, with IBM. A lot of people feel like they don't want to work for anybody and that corporate America is bad. But [that training] is absolutely imperative. That's not to say if the opportunity is right [for you to start your own business] that you don't jump. But make sure you've developed the skills to allow yourself to succeed.
Denita Willoughby: To be a successful entrepreneur, you also need that financing component. And unfortunately, most African Americans don't come from wealthy families. We don't have a directory of black venture capital companies willing to provide seed capital.
K.L.: You need to study the [financing] options and look for someone with expertise. There's no need to reinvent the wheel when you can hire someone successful and pick their brain to see if there are ideas you can carry forth.
D.W.: It really makes me proud to know we have an African American heading Fannie Mae. We've got Ken Chenault at American Express. Ray Wilkins as the CEO of Pacific Bell. Sylvia Rhone at Elektra Records. Charles Childers at the head of Nortel. When you have black senior executives leading major corporations, it sets a path.
Online Extra: Click here for the complete interview transcript

-- Moderated by Jeannine Amber, a freelance writer


 

 



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